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On April 13 2011 05:40 Lanaia wrote: igrok, do you think this will start within the next three weeks? I think it's supposed to start when XXXVIII finishes. | ||
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Also, what's the restriction on five words, for example, can you send string of letters/numbers, like AHOJOSFZOBKFJAKBAJJKBKNO, like a cipher, and then send the key to solve it, or does that break the rule? Also, I'm assuming you can't actually send names (of ANY player), just breadcrumbs? | ||
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Are you the bus driver? | ||
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Welcome to Sleeper Cell Mafia you are the Empath and are the bane of all psychic users. Your goal is to hunt down the Communist Mind Disruptor and the Communist Psychic Ravager, and have been trained specifically to combat psychic threats. 1) Psychic Barrier: After years of training, your mind has become an impenetrable fortress, rendering you immune to all psychic effects. 2) Nerve Gas: This is an experimental gas, which disrupts the pathways in the brain conducive to psychic abilities. Each day, you may ##Gas one player, permanently disabling any psychic abilities they may have. 3) Silenced Pistol: They may have psychic powers, but they aren't bullet-proof! Each day you may ##Shoot one player, killing them. So I'm immune to your protection and it will fail, sorry GM. | ||
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I think something we should watch out for is people trying to manipulate or send messages to scum about how to act, as that will help us pick out the GF. As soon as a few scum start popping up, we should be able to draw connections between them and other players, and hopefully find a common point in the GF. The hard part will be when we kill the GF, because then a new one is selected. When that happens we have to be careful to observe who is changing their behavior towards other players unexpectedly, because this could be a sign of the new GF who suddenly has all the other agent names. | ||
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On April 25 2011 14:32 Ace wrote: eh how? The point of bread crumbs is to prove something before it happens via hidden clues. So how in the world is that going to help us find the Cell Leader? I'm just thinking we can look for things that are people trying to direct mafia. We can assume that the GF is going to find a way to make himself known to his agents. This is why stuff like: On April 25 2011 15:04 darmousseh wrote: Vain, I hope you aren't a dt because that is the most obvious blue tell ever in my opinion. Looks somewhat scummy to me because of: On April 25 2011 11:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Keep in mind that scum can kill scum as well. I think something we should watch out for is people trying to manipulate or send messages to scum about how to act, as that will help us pick out the GF. As soon as a few scum start popping up, we should be able to draw connections between them and other players, and hopefully find a common point in the GF. The hard part will be when we kill the GF, because then a new one is selected. When that happens we have to be careful to observe who is changing their behavior towards other players unexpectedly, because this could be a sign of the new GF who suddenly has all the other agent names. Say Darm is scum, this could be him posting a potential hit target for the other cell members, in saying who he thinks is blue. As a general rule, I don't think people should point out who they think is blue or not. If they do an analysis, and figure someone is blue, they can just as easily call them town to protect them from sniping. On April 26 2011 00:08 GMarshal wrote: Also I suppose its time I started generating discussion. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mr.Wiggles do you know why I'm voting for you Mr.Wiggles? Well, pressure doesn't work very well when the person isn't around to see it. :p I think you're voting for me because I made a couple posts, went to bed, and have been at school until just recently, so it looks like I'm lurking/inactive. This isn't really the case, I'm reading the thread, just a lot of my reactions and ideas will be delayed and concentrated in a few posts instead of all over until two days from now. That, or you think one of my ideas is scummy, but I just pointed out what I mean by leading the cell and breadcrumbs if that's the one you're worried about. As for breadcrumbs, you can look for people posting odd things, pictures, rhymes, ciphers, etc. Changing their signature and/or profile, writing things with the first words of every sentence or every line, stuff like that. It might be clever for scum to try, but I'm not going to obsess over it. I'm just saying that if there's something super apparent, it could easily be a mafia breadcrumb. Now, to answer Ace. My three picks (with reasoning and follow-up) would go: 1. Ace. He's an experienced player and has a reputation as a good analyzer/arguer. 2. GMarshal. I have experience playing games with him, and think he's a good all-around player. 3. Jackal58. He tunnels a lot, and is a very aggressive poster. It would be good to get him in the know so I could use that to my advantage, and to avoid friendly fire. Message: "Follow PI Bear, Profile" 19 characters, 4 words. All they'd have to do is look into my profile, and see the picture I have there right now, as well as the first joke sentence underneath, "Hi, I'm Mr. Wiggles the Detective Bear! No matter the type of grisly discovery, I'll always be first on the scene! I've barely been stumped in my entire career!". This would easily alert them to my identity. The next thing I would do, is at some point, either post a scumlist that contains all of the sleeper agents, +/-1, or a scumlist that contains none of them +/-1. I would be sure not to provide much reasoning, and play down it's importance, so that no one would take it too seriously. I'd then hope the one's I've contacted would be smart enough to figure out that if they're on it, others are, or if they're not on it, no one else is, as they know I'm the Cell Leader, and must be up to something. Follow up messages would be: "PI Bear, Profile, List (or else Not List)" to notify everyone within the shortest amount of time of who I am, and to look at the list, or not at the list. As for activity: We have to keep in mind that certain events in-thread will change activity levels, as well as real-life constraints. For example, I'm not going to have a ton of posts for the next 48 hours, because of my 3 exams coming up. So, in your system (Jackal), I'd look very suspicious, because following that time-line, I'd start to be active right as Day 2 begins, meaning I must have been contacted if I were an Agent. As well, as soon as people begin debating things more, and information becomes revealed, there's probably going to be a lot more posting. I think a good way to counter-act this is just the old-fashioned way, by looking at who's pushing plans that have the most benefit to the agents/leader, and who's arguing against plans that would harm them. However, I still feel that there's going to be at least some agents among any lurkers in the game, but there will still be some among the most active players, just as normal. I don't think activity is the greatest indicator of scumminess, but rather behaviour. | ||
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On April 26 2011 07:45 Impervious wrote: It is doable in 5 words..... Regardless of how many members are on the team..... Also, keep in mind there's a 20 character limit, that's why I'm curious as to how you would let them know the entirety of the team in one message. Don't tell me though, in case the GF doesn't know either. :p | ||
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On April 27 2011 00:26 GMarshal wrote: Jackal, I like your accusation, however I would leave tnkted alone for now as if he has a weird role as he claims the mafia is much more likely to hit him, I would much, much rather hit someone who isn't posting or is lurking, trying to avoid attention. I propose Eiii who has yet to contribute anything at all. To me, in this setting its a huge tell as it reeks of scum waiting to be contacted by the cell leader. I would be happy to hit any of the other lurkers though, e.g. Kenpachi. Also I am getting a weird vibe from Mr.Wiggles taking a quick look at his posts + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 11:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Keep in mind that scum can kill scum as well. I think something we should watch out for is people trying to manipulate or send messages to scum about how to act, as that will help us pick out the GF. As soon as a few scum start popping up, we should be able to draw connections between them and other players, and hopefully find a common point in the GF. The hard part will be when we kill the GF, because then a new one is selected. When that happens we have to be careful to observe who is changing their behavior towards other players unexpectedly, because this could be a sign of the new GF who suddenly has all the other agent names. I think this is making an obvious post in alot of words, I'm not sure its FoS worthy, as alot of this type of posting is going on, but it set off my radar On April 25 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Of course scum-hunting is going to be the best way to find scum, but breadcrumbs are also a good way of finding out the cell leader. It looks like he can only send one PM to one of his people per morning/evening, which means that he's going to have to find a way to get information out to them otherwise, or else he'll have no way to contact more than a couple of them. We can't really rely on the connections between players in this game, so if someone starts acting weird after PM time, maybe they're scum. Also, when we kill the GF, we can go back and look at who he was trying to direct, and who he was paying special attention to, and how. interestingly enough its a repetition of a previous post, it says the evident "scum hunting is how we find scum" but still encourages us to look for breadcrumbs. I like the comment on the GF but the rest of the post seems like filler trying to look like something is being added, again, not enough to make me yell "scum" but its making my gut uncomfortable, this is the real reason I put a pressure vote on wiggles, rather than inactive he seemed to me to be lurking On April 26 2011 07:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'm just thinking we can look for things that are people trying to direct mafia. We can assume that the GF is going to find a way to make himself known to his agents. This is why stuff like: Looks somewhat scummy to me because of: Say Darm is scum, this could be him posting a potential hit target for the other cell members, in saying who he thinks is blue. As a general rule, I don't think people should point out who they think is blue or not. If they do an analysis, and figure someone is blue, they can just as easily call them town to protect them from sniping. I *really* like this point, I though it was evident as well, but it merits pointing out and wiggles gets a town point from me for making this point, as it warrants saying, on the other hand though it makes it obvious for any scum that missed it, which was my reason for leaving it there and hoping it stayed buried. Well, pressure doesn't work very well when the person isn't around to see it. :p I think you're voting for me because I made a couple posts, went to bed, and have been at school until just recently, so it looks like I'm lurking/inactive. This isn't really the case, I'm reading the thread, just a lot of my reactions and ideas will be delayed and concentrated in a few posts instead of all over until two days from now. That, or you think one of my ideas is scummy, but I just pointed out what I mean by leading the cell and breadcrumbs if that's the one you're worried about. This is actually the reaction I would expect from a town player, if wiggles were scum I would expect a more panicked reaction, its not a very solid tell but it partially assuages the churning in my stomach that his earlier posts caused As for breadcrumbs, you can look for people posting odd things, pictures, rhymes, ciphers, etc. Changing their signature and/or profile, writing things with the first words of every sentence or every line, stuff like that. It might be clever for scum to try, but I'm not going to obsess over it. I'm just saying that if there's something super apparent, it could easily be a mafia breadcrumb. I think this paragraph is redundant, no mafia is going to outright post a cypher or a easy breadcrumb like the first word of every sentence/line (and yes, I am checking for that) Now, to answer Ace. My three picks (with reasoning and follow-up) would go: 1. Ace. He's an experienced player and has a reputation as a good analyzer/arguer. 2. GMarshal. I have experience playing games with him, and think he's a good all-around player. 3. Jackal58. He tunnels a lot, and is a very aggressive poster. It would be good to get him in the know so I could use that to my advantage, and to avoid friendly fire. Message: "Follow PI Bear, Profile" 19 characters, 4 words. All they'd have to do is look into my profile, and see the picture I have there right now, as well as the first joke sentence underneath, "Hi, I'm Mr. Wiggles the Detective Bear! No matter the type of grisly discovery, I'll always be first on the scene! I've barely been stumped in my entire career!". This would easily alert them to my identity. This part triggers my gut once again, as its thought out way in depth, it also spells out what a non-obvious message means, which in my mind is explaining it to any of his scumbuddies to whom he might have sent the message. I'm not willing to FoS based on that but it makes me more uneasy The next thing I would do, is at some point, either post a scumlist that contains all of the sleeper agents, +/-1, or a scumlist that contains none of them +/-1. I would be sure not to provide much reasoning, and play down it's importance, so that no one would take it too seriously. I'd then hope the one's I've contacted would be smart enough to figure out that if they're on it, others are, or if they're not on it, no one else is, as they know I'm the Cell Leader, and must be up to something. Again detailing his plan in detail and also including how he is going to be communicating with his buddies if he is scum. If wiggles ever posts a scumlist I'd be interested to see the alignment of some of its members, as its possible wiggles has just detailed his plan so his buddies can see it. Again, it could be that wiggles has thought this out in depth, which is good, or it could be he is scum. Its not a tell for me either way, but it does make me decidedly uneasy Follow up messages would be: "PI Bear, Profile, List (or else Not List)" to notify everyone within the shortest amount of time of who I am, and to look at the list, or not at the list. Its a long post, so my comments in bold inside the quote Verdict: Keep your eyes peeled for wiggles, something about him seems off to me. FoS A couple comments on that: Any scum reading the thread is going to have noticed what Darmo said, and that's why I pointed it out. I'd rather rely on the assumption my opponents are going to notice things rather than the assumption they'll just skim past stuff, so that's why I pointed it out as scummy instead of letting it slide, and asked for it to not happen again. Have a good reason if you need to call someone Blue. Also, this is WIFOM, but I wouldn't have posted that whole explanation if I were actually the Cell Leader. People would be smart enough to figure out Private Investigator Bear, Profile without an explanation. As well, Ace didn't ask for anything more, but I thought it might help trying to figure out what CL would do. The whole point of the list, would be people would dismiss it, because it wouldn't have any analysis behind it, but the Cell members would be able to figure it out that that's the member list if they knew I were leader. By posting this, now people can't just make stand-alone scum lists like that, because people have been made aware of this possibility, and so they will be scrutinized. i.e. anyone making a "scum-list" that has nothing but names is going to be looked at pretty closely, in case they're doing what I outlined. | ||
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On April 27 2011 02:42 Zorkmid wrote: He basically claims that he isn't ANY of the listed roles IMO. Which means he's Blue/Red, doesn't say anything definitive about his alignment. | ||
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##Vote: Darmousseh Good night! :p (And thanks for the birthday wishes!) | ||
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Mr. Wiggles: People think I'm suspicious cause of GMarshal's analysis, popular demand. Ace: Experienced player, supposedly God-like Scum, role mechanics would help us know his alignment better and most importantly sooner. GMarshal: Playing similar to the way he did in XXXVIII, where he was scum. Acted mostly pro-town and made an analysis there of me on Day 1 too. Both times now, the analysis hasn't make a strong case and just ended up saying: "IGMEOY Wiggles! FOS!". So a DT check because of the similarities. Darmousseh: Lurking hardcore, hasn't contributed. Saying "I'm town, don't lynch me" in his first post and pointing out blues in others doesn't make him seem particularly green to me. | ||
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